You may want to do some research on that statement and then correct it and this will answer your own question.But almost zero domestic crude oil production. So where were the remaining refineries get their raw materials from?Peter the big difference is that the UK (to my knowledge) still refine petroleum. We don't. Where do you think the fuel will come from when the majority (and major population centres) cease to need it? Do you really think supply chains will be retained just to supply harvesters in the bush? Or trains in NSW? Demand influences supply and price. At some point the importers will decide to stop importing, or only import if price rises... as prices rise it will make electrification a slam dunk decision.We still do have a few refineries here in australia, just not in NSW.Given the are something like 3 passenger trains a day south of Moss Vale, I doubt electrification is even remotely viable to Goulburn.
To Piction maybe, to pick up the expanding population who may be commuting to Sydney. Then take back the Piction to Mittagong loop line
Only when the price of oil peaks so high that rail freight is forced to electrify the Sydney to Melbourne corridor will Goulbourn ever see electric trains and it will be 25kv AC.
https://www.indexmundi.com/energy/?country=au&product=oil&graph=production+consumption
NSW no longer has oil refinery's and others will close due to the shift in how we make and use oil products, but Australia will always need at least 2 oil refinery's. Alice Springs even has a small one for a reason.
Based on the current timetable, electrification could be remotely justified to Moss Vale, but not to Goulburn. It is however unlikely to occur as the wires will need to be high set to enable DS as I believe there is a ban on new structures below the DS min clearance height over ARTC controlled and funded tracks.
High set not a major issue technically, but then specialised rollingstock is needed and then DMU's are still needed for Goulburn, so do you wire to Goulburn when its unviable to do so so you have standard fleets? Or will south of Moss Vale on the new timetable be simply severed by Canberra services which is rumored by some to be increased thus likely removing the need for all or most Gouburn terminators.
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You may want to do some research on that statement and then correct it and this will answer your own question.But almost zero domestic crude oil production. So where were the remaining refineries get their raw materials from?Peter the big difference is that the UK (to my knowledge) still refine petroleum. We don't. Where do you think the fuel will come from when the majority (and major population centres) cease to need it? Do you really think supply chains will be retained just to supply harvesters in the bush? Or trains in NSW? Demand influences supply and price. At some point the importers will decide to stop importing, or only import if price rises... as prices rise it will make electrification a slam dunk decision.We still do have a few refineries here in australia, just not in NSW.Given the are something like 3 passenger trains a day south of Moss Vale, I doubt electrification is even remotely viable to Goulburn.
To Piction maybe, to pick up the expanding population who may be commuting to Sydney. Then take back the Piction to Mittagong loop line
Only when the price of oil peaks so high that rail freight is forced to electrify the Sydney to Melbourne corridor will Goulbourn ever see electric trains and it will be 25kv AC.
NSW no longer has oil refinery's and others will close due to the shift in how we make and use oil products, but Australia will always need at least 2 oil refinery's. Alice Springs even has a small one for a reason.
Based on the current timetable, electrification could be remotely justified to Moss Vale, but not to Goulburn. It is however unlikely to occur as the wires will need to be high set to enable DS as I believe there is a ban on new structures below the DS min clearance height over ARTC controlled and funded tracks.
High set not a major issue technically, but then specialised rollingstock is needed and then DMU's are still needed for Goulburn, so do you wire to Goulburn when its unviable to do so so you have standard fleets? Or will south of Moss Vale on the new timetable be simply severed by Canberra services which is rumored by some to be increased thus likely removing the need for all or most Gouburn terminators.