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    Posted in News » It's time to act on fast rail

    You cannot apply a model from another country like China and Japan if you don't also apply the full input to the model and their population base is part of this. .
    RTT_Rules

    skip population in your models ...


    We don't have the cash. A HSR network between Mel and Brisbane is around 1/5 of the Fed budget for one year and we only just achieved break even there.  What the govt spends on paperwork each year wouldn't pay the power bill for the HSR operation. .
    RTT_Rules

    what power bill... fed government does not have a policy for the subject .. hsr will have to build / fund power options ..


    The cost of building infrastructure projects are not over priced because amateurs say they are..
    RTT_Rules

    too many disputed contracts that up the cost of the project ...  


    , ie France, Germany and Spain are more closely related to Australia than Japan and China.
    RTT_Rules

    lol EU is not the same as AU.. just on size and number of large city stations that are closer together and only small number of hsr stations in each country  ... EU vs China maybe but still pushing it ...


    However in Govt projects and even private sector the costs are usually rounded down in optimism by the study contractor to "keep the dream alive" and once they get into the detail the price usually rises as optimism gets replaced by realism. This is when projects either get cancelled or cist cut to meet the per-determined budget. Sydney tram being case in point. The Sydney NW Metro was easier to cost as less unknowns being a tunnel versus digging up 13km of inner city and CBD roads.
    RTT_Rules

    metro has investment options .. stage 1 and 3 the state government gets a returns via development along the line, stage 2 has a return via the tower blocks over the stations ...Sydney trams project is a contractor / awarded contract problem, with limited returns ...

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    Edited 06 Jan 2020 14:13, last year, edited by viaprojects

    Thanks for making my point .

    no chance .. we are not following the eu / spain problems ... but one company is making profit with the eu rail network

    because the amount of money we would need to spend on our hsr would be the exact same waste of money as it is in Spain. Expensive and underutilised requiring huge amounts of tax payer money

    would pick china / japan for Sydney to Melbourne HSR models .... the only problem , we use airports as the fast link in au .. ie we are building another airport in Sydney with an undecided rail / transport plan for the airport ...

    tax payer money we don't have.

    we have the cash ... government spends allot on paperwork and does not control pricing on the projects -- too much guess work on cost / over charging by suppliers / tenders  ...

    viaprojects

    You cannot apply a model from another country like China and Japan if you don't also apply the full input to the model and their population base is part of this.

    We don't have the cash. A HSR network between Mel and Brisbane is around 1/5 of the Fed budget for one year and we only just achieved break even there.  What the govt spends on paperwork each year wouldn't pay the power bill for the HSR operation.

    The cost of building infrastructure projects are not over priced because amateurs say they are. Actual HSR project costs are well known from OS experience in similar projects in similar terrains and jurisdictions and then they apply differences for localised costs such as wages etc, hence estimates to within +/- 30% isn't hard to calculate in pre-feed studies, ie France, Germany and Spain are more closely related to Australia than Japan and China. However in Govt projects and even private sector the costs are usually rounded down in optimism by the study contractor to "keep the dream alive" and once they get into the detail the price usually rises as optimism gets replaced by realism. This is when projects either get cancelled or cist cut to meet the per-determined budget. Sydney tram being case in point. The Sydney NW Metro was easier to cost as less unknowns being a tunnel versus digging up 13km of inner city and CBD roads.